ADWD Spoilers - Jon I Summary

[Boaz]

Jax, we're just having fun. Don't worry about it... we all knew what you meant. I'd like to say that I've never made a typo in posting, but that would be a big, fat lie.

WS, splat? How about splash?

Back to the thread... rt, the OP, described Stannis' skin as "pale, leather-like." Is Melissandre bleeding him?

And what about Stannis saying something to the effect of "If you can't man the castles within a year, I'll do it myself"? So Stannis thinks Jon can't do it, but Jon is the (well, one of a few) main protagonist in ASOIAF so he may well find the men to man the castles.

So where will the men come from? The Wildlings? No, that's an invitation for Dr. Tarr and Prof. Feather. THey could come from the defeated River lords and Northern lords. Jaime, Randyll Tarly, Roose Bolton, and the other victorious captains will give the defeated a choice... the Wall or heads on spikes. Some outlaws may be given the choice also... Lem, Harwin, Thoros, Anguy, et al. The other possibility is that the High Septon calls for a great mission to convert the Wildlings... they'd add a third branch to the NW; the stewards, the builders, the rangers, and the missionaries.

Of course Stannis may be dead in a year.

[Winters_Sorrow]

Boaz, I dunno - splash sounds survivable...

Will Bolton give the lords the chance for the wall? I think he'd rather flay their skins for his wall.

I'm not as confident the wall will be reinforced. I think they're on their own until the poop really hits the fan - by which time it'll be too late to do anything but run like hell.

[Blue Mythril]

Originally Posted by Aegon the Unworthy

Maybe Melissandre isnt who shes cracked up to be....Thoros seems to serve an enlightened benificent god....I dont know what Im getting at....I just derail threads then walk away...

I wouldn't say that GRRM wanted to portray the Lord of Light as 'an enlightened benificent god,' more likley he wanted to highlight corruption and ambition and the diversity of perspectives that humans always create (inadvertantly or not) for a god. Though I do think he wants to contrast Melissandre and Thoros and their respective causes and takes on the prophecy. It does make for such delicious reading and thought doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Boaz

Back to the thread... rt, the OP, described Stannis' skin as "pale, leather-like." Is Melissandre bleeding him?

Most likely. Not only is it the Melissandre thing to do, but also the pragmatic Stannis thing to do in the absence of 'real' king's blood.

As to the reinforcements for John, I think that Winter's Sorrow is probably close, as it is so in keeping with these books that things go wrong and people end up in desperate situations. Although in Jon's case, most likely as the north is bound to be the grand finale, things seem to go right (or be for the best) even when they go wrong.

However, if he was to get reinforcements, I believe it would be in the form of an alliance with the wildings that is spurred on by necessity: they would agree to disagree on other things, but agree that the most important threat was the one behind them.

The pickings of the leftovers and unfortunates of the northern wars is less likely... GRRM seems to be setting this up to be of some significance, so it is likely to involve something as equally significant. Not that the tricklings of northern Lords/ prisoners wouldn't be significant or bring significant news...

Go Jon for sticking it up Stannis too, and keeping his nose out of the South. He's such an awesome Lord Commander, (can you tell he's one of my favourites?).

Oh, and the only way he would be likely to discover Bran and Rickon through the wolf dreams, is if Ghost comes accross their brothers one night... Sense won't be enough.

[the smiling weirwood]

I want Stannis to die. Horribly. After having his ridiculous black-and-white world view shattered and his entire family tortured to death by pirates while he watched.

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Originally Posted by Blue Mythril

I wouldn't say that GRRM wanted to portray the Lord of Light as 'an enlightened benificent god,' more likley he wanted to highlight corruption and ambition and the diversity of perspectives that humans always create (inadvertantly or not) for a god. Though I do think he wants to contrast Melissandre and Thoros and their respective causes and takes on the prophecy. It does make for such delicious reading and thought doesn't it?

Hmm ya know....I really really explain myself poorly...not yer fault, all mine...I didnt put all my thoughts down. And yes, I love having a foil to compare characters to...

1) Okay, Thoros and Melissadre seem to worship two sides of the same god...that can be ascribed to differing personalities amongst the two...Im okay with that

2) Has Melissadre ever actually done anything that directly involves the manipulation of fire? I recall her using "blood" magic and birthing a shadow beast of some sort....Maybe Im wrong...Ill accept that.

3) Aemon pointedly asks Jon if he felt any heat from the sword L.B. Can someone point out whether or not thats confirmed by any other character in the book...I really really have to assume that if you are magic wielding worshipper of the Lord of Light then when you make a magic flaming sword, its gonna actually flame....

Okay place this into my conspiracy theory thread one thread over and be done with it...but these are the things I think of. Maybe Melissandre is actually a worshipper of that nameless evil thing they dont speak of and not Rhllor (insert ' wherever needed)...and is just playing a game to get Stannis to go along....

[Aegon the Unworthy]

just want to add another point,

4) Berics sword clearly was actually "aflame". He caught the Hounds shield on fire.

So I assume the lack of responses to my questions is because the entire community is either Awed by my awesome intellectual and deductive talents, diligently researching my thought provoking questions or ignoring my useless prattle.....I know which theory Im going with...regardless of the truth

[Boaz]

Soooo... you're saying that Melissandre might be trying to kill AA reborn or at least make him vulnerable to The Other's attack, but that she does not yet recognize that she has not really found out that she's selected the wrong AA reborn. Interesting, I'll think more about this one.

Btw, I try not to judge (too stringently) our guesses of the plots here... well, because some of the most ridiculous suggestions are my own.

[Aegon the Unworthy]

I give people the benefit of the doubt...Im not the subject matter expert I pretend to be...George is, but he is damn slow in coming out with the truth.

Actually I dont believe this crud...I think Melissandre is what she is...but the part about the sword bugs me. Why would Berics sword do something LB couldnt...and does M ever actually use fire as a modus for her magic...this bugs me to no end. She sees Davos coming to kill her in the flames (she says) but that happens off camera. And her jewel flares when the maester attempts to poison her....but no flame.

I think the line she gives Davos underneath Storms End may be key...if someone could quote that here Id appreciate it.

Still trying to disprove this...any help would be appreciated