Is Mazrim Taim Demandred?

[blink]

i just have that feeling that Taim is somehow Demandred as he/they say in LoC and the latest book "let the lord of chaos rule".
What do you think?

[Green]

Jordan has said before that "the Lord of Chaos" refers to Rand. I think that Jordan has said that Taim is not one of the Forsaken, though my mind might be playing tricks on me there.

*SPOILERS FOR WINTER'S HEART*




It's been a while since I read the series, but at the end of Winter's Heart, wasn't Demandred found to be that ex-lieutenant from Rand's male Aes Sedai (but not Taim)? Can't remember his bloody name. Or is Demandred that one that got brought back as a woman? God, I need to re-read this series.

[Winters_Sorrow]

Originally Posted by Green

God, I need to re-read this series.

At least this time you'll have the option of skimming the boring bits!

I think it's been determined that Taim isn't a Forsaken (just another power-hungry charismatic false dragon).

I haven't read the new book yet (all my collection is in TPB and I didn't want to stick a hulking HB next to them) but does the issue of the Forsaken come up a lot?
I'm still cheesed off that Robert Jordan invented Balefire which erases people from existance only for these 'dead' forsaken to come back thanks to the Dark Lord's intervention.
Massive, massive cop-out there and completely devalues his series IMO

[blink]

i just re-read "winters heart" and no he isnt demandred but hes deff. a darkfriend.

The guy dashiva is/was ors'angar or something like that.

[Niolani]

Yes, and O'sangar was Aginor re-housed in a new body but Elza Penfell knocked him off.

[Frozeninja]

If I remember correctly Jordan has specifically said a few times that Taim is not Demandred. I don't think we've seen Demandred's cover character yet but i'm not sure of that, been a while since I read the series now.

[PanzerOberst]

My oppinion is that he IS Demandred. There's the mystery in how RJ made no mention at all of when/how Taim knew about the kidnapping and when to arrive Dumai Wells.

[speedingslug]

I forgot now now and need to look it up but was Taim a false dragon if so It's highly unlikely

[blink]

The thing is, in winters heart, Demandred says to the ash'man "kill him" then the Mhael is also quoted saying "kill him".

isnt Elza black ajah?

[PanzerOberst]

Originally Posted by blink

The thing is, in winters heart, Demandred says to the ash'man "kill him" then the Mhael is also quoted saying "kill him".

isnt Elza black ajah?

She is, but was brainwashed into serving Rand by Verin.

[Chrystelia]

If you go to WOTmania site, you can find all explanation in the FAQ section, very useful.

[flammableliquids]

i would just like to say that i have heard this theory before and i disagree upon the simplist of reasons, Taim gave Al'thor a seal, and therefore at that stage cannot be a Dark friend, let alone one of the forsaken. whether or not he was killed and replaced latter on is another thing altogether. i personally believe that Taim is in actual fact, Sammeal not dead and gone to ground. i have little proof of this, other than the forsaken knowing little of what goes on in the black tower, and a number of citations of a forsaken taking excessive security measures when making dealings. eg. the forsaken who had Isam\Luc looking for Mr & Mrs Lan.

Proof that Taim is a dark friend comes from 2 things in the latest book; Tiam using the phrase "let the lord of chaos rule" and the coincidental sudden movement of thousands of Trollocs through the ways (an un-sanctioned action according to Mordin) to attack Al'thor and Logian, when Taim burned to know where Al'thor was.

oh and i to have never ever been able to figure out how Tiam or anyone could have loacted Al'thor while he was in a box, on the move, surrounded by Aes Sedai without any forms of communication.

[PanzerOberst]

True... that could be the explaination. But I always get a feeling that he is more than just an ordinary darkfriend (not counting the Sammael theory).

[Niolani]

Originally Posted by blink

The thing is, in winters heart, Demandred says to the ash'man "kill him" then the Mhael is also quoted saying "kill him".

isnt Elza black ajah?

she knocked O'sangar off because she didn't know he was a forsaken and thought she'd be forgiven for killing a darkfriend in order to keep her cover.

they found Rand by Alanna's warder bond with him but I don't know how the Asha'man found them.

[Werthead]

Originally Posted by PanzerOberst

My oppinion is that he IS Demandred. There's the mystery in how RJ made no mention at all of when/how Taim knew about the kidnapping and when to arrive Dumai Wells.

That plot point is actually addressed in The Wheel of Time Roleplaying Game that was published back in 2001. It was the basis for an adventure in the game. It's unclear how canonical this is, although RJ did approve the RPG and wrote an introduction for it.