Was it fullfilled?

[Young_Flame_]

Was the prophicy Really fullfilled? I mean, even after Luke Vs. Vader (last) The sith continued to go on.. so who really fullfilled the prophicy? I think it was Luke Skywalker.. I mean: Luke was also raised on Tatooine, the planet with two suns. Hence, Son of the Suns.
Luke did indeed emerge in the time of greatest despair, namely during the Galactic Civil War, while his father appeared in a time of relative peace, before the Clone Wars.
It was Luke who encouraged his father to turn his back on the Emperor and he also restored the Jedi Order. Through this, fans have claimed, Luke brought the long awaited "balance" and can be characterized as a messianic figure.
In Revenge of the Sith, Yoda admitted that the prophecy of the Chosen One might have been misinterpreted, which could mean that the Jedi Order was mistaken in concluding that Anakin was the Chosen One. The more conventional explanation, however, is that Yoda was no longer certain that bringing balance to the Force meant destroying the Sith.

[carrie221]

I think it was Anakin as he did balance the Force; there were two Sith and there were two Jedi. What no one seemed to think about was that it wasn't a good idea for the Force to be balanced in this way. We want the light side of the Force to be in the majority. There is no good balance between good and evil. Good should always outweigh evil.

[Ice Queen]

I think, according to the movies, it was Anakin, since he was able to come back from the Dark Side and kill Palpatine, thus "restoring balance" in its most simplistic terms.

But in Expanded Universe terms, it's Luke, because while before his time it was black and white, dark and light, and children were taken from their families to be sequestered and trained one-on-one ... Luke changed all that and balanced family with duty, love and responsibility (he got married and had kids), dark with light (once deliberately "turned" to go undercover and came back again), and broader training (one master, several students in a class).

In short, due to being the only one left, he thought outside the box. He changed forever the way Jedi acted, behaved, existed.

[lordoftime]

Darth Sidious was destroyed, but there are still sith out there...they walk among us...one of them was once my friend....

[DANNY_P1]

[quote=Ice Queen;718274 ... Luke changed all that and balanced family with duty, love and responsibility (he got married and had kids), dark with light (once deliberately "turned" to go undercover and came back again), and broader training (one master, several students in a class).
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i guess you mean Anakin changed all that. he got married and had kids, not Luke.

but...he hardly had "a balanced family with duty, love and responsibilty" - he turned to the dark side, smacked his bitch about which killed her, killed the majority of his mates and was only stopped when his master chopped his arm and both his legs off!

Danny

So, you have accepted the truth?

[manephelien]

Read the post again, Danny. It depends on whether you accept the EU as a part of SW canon or not. Going by the books I'd say Anakin/Vader was necessary so that Luke could fulfill the prophecy. The future is barely hinted at in the movies, but in post-movie books Luke does marry and have children, while still remaining a Jedi.

[DANNY_P1]

post-movie books!...i will bow out of this discussion gracefully sir.

I will take myself to the Dune Sea, and cast myself into the pit of Carkoon, the nesting place of the all-powerful Sarlaac.

[lordoftime]

Dont do that! Join me... and together... we will bring order ...and peace to the galaxy....

[Jim Colyer]

I think episode 4 is the best one.

[DANNY_P1]

Originally Posted by lordoftime

Dont do that! Join me... and together... we will bring order ...and peace to the galaxy....

I'll never join you.

[ScottSF]

Originally Posted by manephelien

Read the post again, Danny. It depends on whether you accept the EU as a part of SW canon or not. Going by the books I'd say Anakin/Vader was necessary so that Luke could fulfill the prophecy. The future is barely hinted at in the movies, but in post-movie books Luke does marry and have children, while still remaining a Jedi.

Nomatter what the fans think. Lucas clearly didn't accept the EU as part of SW Cannon. It did mess with my head a little when the trilogies came out but it was probably for the better. Those EU books were pretty bad, I just got into them because it was all I had.

I think the force was out of balance because the Jedi were short sighted and didn't breed enough.

[Huttman]

Originally Posted by ScottSF

I think the force was out of balance because the Jedi were short sighted and didn't breed enough.

I think I'll revive this thread by making a comment here. I agree the Jedi were short sighted, so much went on right under their noses (for those who had a nose). Even Yoda said many were overconfident and too sure of themselves, even the older and more experienced ones.

As for not breeding enough, apparently in the Jedi order it is forbidden to marry and as a result have children. Interesting, the same b.s. dogma is in some of today's religion. Nowhere in the bible is marriage denied if you want to serve God. The apostle Paul did mention some advantages to staying single for the time being, but it was never forbidden.

Anakin was the chosen one, he did bring balance to the Force. If a member of the Sith even exists, the Force is out of balance. After he killed the Emperor and died himself, that just left his children to re-start the Jedi training program proper, without a lot of arrogant jedi around to muck things up.

[C Of K]

I once saw an interview with George Lucas. He basically stated that even during the height of the Empire, while Anakin was Darth Vader, he was still the chosen one.

The force was mainly out of balance because the jedi were serving evil. Even before Palpatine rose to power, the senate was corrupt, yet the jedi still enforced senatorial rulings. During Palpatine's rise to power things only got worse. The jedi were servants of a sith lord. Hence the statements that, "There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere."

I don't think it had much to do with how many jedi or sith lords there were.

[manephelien]

One reason why there was a problem was that the Jedi had to choose between serving the universe and having a family. This meant that a lot of disenchanted Jedi were thrown out of the Order or left voluntarily, prime candidates for a Sith lord to recruit a new apprentice from. This meant that even if there were only two Sith, they had candidates waiting in the wings and minions to do their bidding who had some training in Force use without being fully Sith.

So my take on it is that the Jedi contributed to the imbalance in the Force by concentrating too much on the universal and ignoring the personal completely, leading to lots of disenchanted Jedi. Enforcing Senatorial rules and indirectly serving the Sith Lord certainly contributed to this imbalance, even if most Jedi appeared unaware of Palpatine's evil until he changed, by which time it was too late.

While Anakin was the Chosen One, he would never have seen the error of his ways without Luke. Vader destroyed the Sith order by killing his master even if it meant his own death. Luke made sure the errors of the old Jedi Order could never be repeated by allowing them a personal life.

[C Of K]

I wouldn't agree that Luke ever brought the force back into balance, even in the EU. Ever since he began training jedi, some have been falling to the dark side.

Although I'm not familiar with recent events, I do know that Jacen is currently considered a sith lord. If anything, I'd say that Luke inadvertently aided the disruption of the harmony Anakin restored, rather than balancing things by allowing jedi to have a personal life.

I think the main reason jedi powers were diminished was because they were trying to battle the dark side while serving Palpatine. You can't battle something, and serve it at the same time, even indirectly. The jedi were pawns in Palpatine's plans, but they were still used to further his dark ends, which was undeniably the destruction of the jedi, and reconstruction of government.

They played a major role in helping him achieve that.