Everyone needs a conspiracy theory....

[Charming Serpent]

Ok, I forgot to post my Benjen comment above with my Longclaw one. So, Lyanna is NOT Benjen, Boaz. There are many parts in the books especially with Ned PoV that show she died. All of them have to do with his own thoughts and feelings never out loud. He sure as hell wouldn't lie to himself in his own head. Lyanna in her bed of blood, the life leaving her eyes, Reed finding him much later still holding Lyannas hand, she wanted to be buried alongside her bro and dad, how Jaimes poV never mentions anything about another stark dying besides the lord and brandon, Some dreams of ned and even Theons where Lyanna is crying blood or sitting at a banquest along other dead people and soon to be dead people with her own gore splattered on her etc etc.

Have u been working too hard lately and that is why u posted that? Out of boredom or simple insomnia or the very opposite drove u to that theory?? :P Tell me that was the reasons, give me a reason just don't say u believe that theory dear Boaz ... please?

[Boaz]

I believe that Lyanna is Coldhands as much as I believe that the Queen of Thorns is actually a Faceless Man.

[viZion]

Originally Posted by Boaz

I believe that the Queen of Thorns is actually a Faceless Man.

What proof do you have for this?

It's fun to take people's quotes out of context.

[Charming Serpent]

I think, no, I hope he is joking, Viz.

Lyanna is as dead as poor old dead Ned.

[vervain_ashe]

Originally Posted by Boaz

Tysha, very intriguing. But my feeling is that the ravens are just ravens and not CotF. I think the possibility that the CotF have the warging ability and use it to "see" and "act" through the raven as much more likely.

I've always wondered how the ravens knew where to go. In our world, homing pigeons are born in one area and then taken away to be used solely for the purpose of bringing a message back to that specific place of their birth. In ASOIAF, I get the feeling that the ravens just go where they are told to go. Of the rookeries at Dragonstone and Castle Black, do you think that they really kept specific ravens to travel to scores of different castles? Stannis sent his message to dozens, if not hundreds of castles. Seems kinda expesive and complicated... I think we'd have heard of raven resending services if this was true. No, I think the ravens have some special ability to allow them to go where they are sent.

Wasn't there a line where they were on the Fist (or maybe earlier, but I thought it was when Mormont took the Rangers out in search of Benjen) and Sam had to try to keep the ravens straight... there was mention that the birds in one cage went to one place, and the birds in another cage went to another place, and so forth and so on.... is that not how homing pigeons work? Not that I can speculate to the author's intentions... so much is left to the imagination...

[vervain_ashe]

Originally Posted by Boaz

I believe that Lyanna is Coldhands as much as I believe that the Queen of Thorns is actually a Faceless Man.

How 'bout this... what if Coldhands is the Winter King that Bran speaks of to Jojen and Meera, before they meet up with Sam and Gilly when they come up through the well. It kind of fits... The whole story of the 'man' could explain how he knows the secrets of the wall, but is forbidden to pass beyond it - to the 'living' side.

[Boaz]

I don't remember this Winter King...

[vervain_ashe]

Originally Posted by Boaz

I don't remember this Winter King...

I can't remember the exact details... Bran was talking about a Lord Commander of the wall that was entranced by a beautiful woman with milk white skin and brilliantly sparkling blue eyes. He should have let her pass beyond his sight, but he could not, so he rushed down from the wall and took her to wife and gave her his seed. The created an army of little zombies or whatever the children of whites would be called, and they ruled for about a decade, then a hero whose name currently eludes me, slew him/them and the men of the wall were free from the terrible bondage they had endured during the 'King & Queen's' reign. I don't recall mention of the bodies being burned, so they could have remained in-tact. It would fit that this man could be Coldhands. He is/was a man of the Watch, he knew the secrets of the wall - being Lord Commander and all, and the sorcery he was enveloped in could not only keep him alive/dead still, but prevent him from passing to the 'living' side of the wall.

I can find the exact passage, but I won't be able to do it until late tonight or tomorrow. Unless of course someone else reading this post want to help a fellow member out by finding it first. ; )

Right now, I'm trying to go back to the crone that told her dreams to Beric and Co... and Arya overheard about the maid with purple serpents in her hair and then something else becomes of the maid afterward. It's obvious the crone was speaking of Sansa at Joff's wedding, but I'm trying to find the exact passage to see how it all fits.

Re-reads are fantastically fun, but when the books are all so long, it can take a while to find that passage or chapter that you knew was in "X" spot, and one's impatience of waiting to get to "X" spot sends them on wild ravaging of papers... and oddly placed papercuts! D'oh!

[Boaz]

Now I remember, it's in ASOS, but I don't have my books handy. So you're saying that Coldhands is a zombie Macbeth wandering the North looking for redemption? This is a new idea to me... I like new!

[Young stormlord]

Originally Posted by vervain_ashe

I can't remember the exact details... Bran was talking about a Lord Commander of the wall that was entranced by a beautiful woman with milk white skin and brilliantly sparkling blue eyes. He should have let her pass beyond his sight, but he could not, so he rushed down from the wall and took her to wife and gave her his seed. The created an army of little zombies or whatever the children of whites would be called, and they ruled for about a decade, then a hero whose name currently eludes me, slew him/them and the men of the wall were free from the terrible bondage they had endured during the 'King & Queen's' reign. I don't recall mention of the bodies being burned, so they could have remained in-tact. It would fit that this man could be Coldhands. He is/was a man of the Watch, he knew the secrets of the wall - being Lord Commander and all, and the sorcery he was enveloped in could not only keep him alive/dead still, but prevent him from passing to the 'living' side of the wall.

It's the story about Night King, 13 lord commander of the night watch, man who knowed no fear. Bran thinks about him before Sam gets into the kitchen of the Nightfort with Gilly. Wildling hero is Jorammun (spelling?) and one of the Starks helped him to release Night watch from slavery. Night kings name was erased from the memory when they found out he was making sacrifices to Others. Old Nan would always finish the story that Night king was Stark, brother of the Lord that killed him.

[Charming Serpent]

Coldhands is either a Brother of the Nights Watch (random one), Benjen Stark or a Child of the Forest. Of course, that is just my humble opinion.

[TK-421]

Or a wildling.

[Boaz]

Or a Targaryen bastard.

[viZion]

Or an otherwise boring kid with no personality.

[TK-421]

Well, that was unecessary.