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Old 26th April 2006, 12:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Cho-Ja Magicians and Pug.

Im reading the "Mistress of the Empire", and I've got to the part where Mara, has got the Thruil Cho-Ja to go back to the empire with her.
Now I want to know is when Pug, had to go back to the empire in Silverthorn to get help from the Assebly, and he decided he should vist the star watchs (Eldar), why didn't he discover the Cho-Ja magicians or even the Thruil magicians.
Pug wants to learn magic, the Cho-ja seem the best place to learn from what Ive read.
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Old 26th April 2006, 12:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Cho-Ja Magicians and Pug.

Well, most importantly, Pug was still a Great One and as such, subject to the Forbidden. Although he had broke his ties with the Assembly perhaps he was unable or unwilling to approach the Choja because of the treaty. Remember, he advised Mara to go and find the Choja (so he obviously knew of their existance) but seemed reluctant to go himself.

Also my impression wasn't so much that Pug "wanted to learn magic", more that he wanted to know more specifically about the Enemy and rifts. Being the eldest and wisest race with intimate knowledge of the Valheru, the Eldar were the best bet.
The Choja's only involvement with the Enemy was watching him trying to force himself through the rift.

Or maybe:
- The Eldar are just more powerful
- The Choja "Hive Mind" magic may be incompatible with the human psyche.
- Thuril magic may be more "shamanistic" in nature. Certainly their magic was very understated. Perhaps the Killane was just good at 'Headology' as Granny Weatherwax might say.
- Finally, maybe they just didn't want to help Pug! The Assembly is hardly held in high esteem in either Thuril or Choja now, is it?
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Old 27th April 2006, 01:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Cho-Ja Magicians and Pug.

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Although he had broke his ties with the Assembly perhaps he was unable or unwilling to approach the Choja because of the treaty.
Wasnt the treaty only for the Cho-Ja within the Tsuranuanni Empire. It never included the Chakaha Cho-Ja.

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Being the eldest and wisest race with intimate knowledge of the Valheru, the Eldar were the best bet.
Wouldn't the eldest race and wisest be Aal. Because the lived longer then any other race, and the Valherun couldnt destroy them. Which I know later Tomas and Pug went to see, and made the deal with, for the last of the Aal to go to Midekemia.

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The Choja "Hive Mind" magic may be incompatible with the human psyche.
The Chakaha Cho-Ja taught the Thuril magicians before the forced treaty between Tsuranuanni Cho-Ja and the Assembly.

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Thuril magic may be more "shamanistic" in nature.
I would really say "shamanistic", I would go for the word, my civilised then the Assembly. Because the Assembly seems to go on "what you are doing now", and the Killane go on "what made you the person you are". Also the Killane seem a little my advanced then the Assembly because of the way they treat novices, and more skilled in doing magic, that involves peaceful actions.

But hey thats my opinion.
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Re: Cho-Ja Magicians and Pug.

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Im reading the "Mistress of the Empire", and I've got to the part where Mara, has got the Thruil Cho-Ja to go back to the empire with her.
Now I want to know is when Pug, had to go back to the empire in Silverthorn to get help from the Assebly, and he decided he should vist the star watchs (Eldar), why didn't he discover the Cho-Ja magicians or even the Thruil magicians.
Pug wants to learn magic, the Cho-ja seem the best place to learn from what Ive read.
Simple: because Feist had not written the Empire-series yet

and for an in-universe explanation: don't think too much about it, it's fiction, incontinuity issues are inherently part of a large work of fiction
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