Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion - Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles: forums

MIDNIGHT · 27th March 2006, 08:33 PM

There hasn't been a lot of discussion lately on this forum,so.... is there anybody out there that thinks that there may be an ever so slight possibility that Rhaegar is alive and kicking somewhere in Westeros.I know,I know that the odds aren't good, but with the 3 heads of the dragon thing, and the so called fact that Aegon is indeed dead doesn't it make sense that there is another Targaryen of good solid blood out there.I realize there are tonnes of theories revolving around the 3rd head of the dragon (Tyrion,dead Aegon,etc..etc,even it not having to be a Targaryen) but maybe we are all looking to far from the original Targaryen line. Take for example that Rhaegar was this WONDERFUL warrior and that he read in some book that he would be this WONDERFUL warrior, so with this proficy which we all Know always come true (not), how did he possibly get beat by Robert on the Trident. I realize that Robert was also a great warrior but Rhaegar should have been better.Not to mention that if a prince dies shoudn't something memerable been done with the body. Maybe it wasn't Rhaegar in that black armor.Maybe he is elsewhere and it was that that made him mellencoly after he read the poficy.Just a radom bunch of thoughts.Comments anyone?

Winters_Sorrow · 28th March 2006, 07:37 AM

Nah.

Besides, Rhaegar was most definately not a wonderful warrior. He was more of a scholar.

YOSSARIAN · 28th March 2006, 02:45 PM

Actually, I think Rhaegar was viewed as a damn good fighter. Originally he was a bookworm, but one day he unexpectedly emerged from his books and started training as a warrior. Given the fact that he was dedicated to his training and also that he is portrayed as a high achiever, I assume that he was far more than competent on the battlefield. But Robert was also known as a fierce warrior (and someone who seemed to enjoy combat, unlike Rhaegar). In a one on one showdown Robert would probably have the upper hand. I've always taken it for granted that Rhaegar is dead, on the assumption that his either his friends or his foes would have made positive I.D. on his corpse.

AryaUnderfoot · 28th March 2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MIDNIGHT

Take for example that Rhaegar was this WONDERFUL warrior and that he read in some book that he would be this WONDERFUL warrior, so with this proficy which we all Know always come true (not), how did he possibly get beat by Robert on the Trident.

Rhaegar was mistaken. The prophecy was not about him. Have you read AFFC, Midnight? You'll find the answers there.

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Originally Posted by MIDNIGHT

I realize that Robert was also a great warrior but Rhaegar should have been better.Not to mention that if a prince dies shoudn't something memerable been done with the body. Maybe it wasn't Rhaegar in that black armor.

Robert believed that Rhaegar had imprisoned and raped the woman he loved. His hatred of Rhaegar and all things Targaryen was still very much evident several years later. I think that after killing whomever was in the black armor, Robert would have made damn sure it was Rhaegar. Not to mention, from what we know of Rhaegar's character, I doubt that he was the type to send another man to fight his battles.

TK-421 · 28th March 2006, 09:03 PM

Agree, Rheagar is dead. But it sort of poetic in a way that the beautiful man that he was, smart, well-read, good warrior, the envy of all women and girls (Cersei) in the kingdom and he gets himself killed by Robert whom Cersei later marries (and kills) and seems to become the exact opposite of what Rheagar represented.

Now, there are certainly alot of theories about other Targaryens around: Jon, baby Aegon, Tyrion (not likely if you ask me) so there's bound to be one that pops up somewhere. My money is on Jon and the Darkstar.

But, thanks for starting a discussion on the issue, eh.

MIDNIGHT · 29th March 2006, 12:03 AM

I don't seriously believe Rhaegar is still alive.I am just terribly bored waiting for ADWD and would discuss any theory possible (even if it is haywire).I do believe however that just about anything is possible with Martin. Just how many of us can honestly say that we predicted anything that happened in AFFC (which yes I have read 3 times to be exact, and still can guarranty that I have missed many things). Oh so many of the discussions now are just a repeat of things that we already seem to know, such as Jons parentage, the hound alive etc. I am just so so so hoping for something new and earth shattering. ADWD seems so far away. Can't wait for the update next month on the home page.It is killing me.

genisis2 · 29th March 2006, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MIDNIGHT

I . ADWD seems so far away. Can't wait for the update next month on the home page.It is killing me.

Yes I know what you mean bloody hell why cant he crank out books like Koontz or S. King for gods sake(BTW I'm not comparing GRRM to them).By the time he finishes the next book Ill be bouncing a grand child on my knee.

JohnSnow · 29th March 2006, 01:48 AM

Rhaegar is still alive... in Jon Stark!

just my three cents... sorry...okay stop looking at me that way...

*snow*

the smiling weirwood · 29th March 2006, 03:01 PM

umm...TK, don't mean to be a spoilsport, but Darkstar is a Dayne and GRRM himself has confirmed that the Daynes are not related to the Targaryens at all.

TK-421 · 29th March 2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the smiling weirwood

umm...TK, don't mean to be a spoilsport, but Darkstar is a Dayne and GRRM himself has confirmed that the Daynes are not related to the Targaryens at all.

There was a theory that he could be the baby Aegon that was switched before the sacking of King's Landing and the killing of the royal family. And the fact that he was in Dorne and attacked Myrcella for no apparent real and then fled was provided as speculation to him being another loss Targaryen. It has nothing to do with being a Dayne.

MIDNIGHT · 29th March 2006, 10:27 PM

I would love it if Darkstar was swapped baby Aegon,but isn't the Darkstar a bit old .Aegon would be just a year or so older that Jon.

Tyranus · 30th March 2006, 02:06 AM

I heard a crackpot theory somewhere (probably westeros) about the lead Monk on the island (I haven't read AFFC or the theory in a while so please excuse my explanation) being Rhaegar. There was quite a bit of support for it if I remember correctly. Hmmm, I need to find that thread.

TK-421 · 30th March 2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyranus

I heard a crackpot theory somewhere (probably westeros) about the lead Monk on the island (I haven't read AFFC or the theory in a while so please excuse my explanation) being Rhaegar. There was quite a bit of support for it if I remember correctly. Hmmm, I need to find that thread.

Wow, that would be a good one for GRRM to pull on us. Highly unlikely, but a good one. Any other theories on who the Monk could be??

What happened to Aerys' other siblings?? The monk was a good character and would hate to loose him after AFFC.

MIDNIGHT · 30th March 2006, 05:57 PM

Tyranus, it would be great if you could remember where you saw this theory.Most interesting!

the smiling weirwood · 31st March 2006, 09:33 PM

OH! I have one! Maybe everyone is a Targaryen!!

27th March 2006, 08:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
MIDNIGHT enjoy the hour Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 113	Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion There hasn't been a lot of discussion lately on this forum,so.... is there anybody out there that thinks that there may be an ever so slight possibility that Rhaegar is alive and kicking somewhere in Westeros.I know,I know that the odds aren't good, but with the 3 heads of the dragon thing, and the so called fact that Aegon is indeed dead doesn't it make sense that there is another Targaryen of good solid blood out there.I realize there are tonnes of theories revolving around the 3rd head of the dragon (Tyrion,dead Aegon,etc..etc,even it not having to be a Targaryen) but maybe we are all looking to far from the original Targaryen line. Take for example that Rhaegar was this WONDERFUL warrior and that he read in some book that he would be this WONDERFUL warrior, so with this proficy which we all Know always come true (not), how did he possibly get beat by Robert on the Trident. I realize that Robert was also a great warrior but Rhaegar should have been better.Not to mention that if a prince dies shoudn't something memerable been done with the body. Maybe it wasn't Rhaegar in that black armor.Maybe he is elsewhere and it was that that made him mellencoly after he read the poficy.Just a radom bunch of thoughts.Comments anyone?

28th March 2006, 07:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Winters_Sorrow Unreg. Mutant Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,708	Re: Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion Nah. Besides, Rhaegar was most definately not a wonderful warrior. He was more of a scholar.

28th March 2006, 02:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
YOSSARIAN Enjoy the Era Vulgaris Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 283	Re: Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion Actually, I think Rhaegar was viewed as a damn good fighter. Originally he was a bookworm, but one day he unexpectedly emerged from his books and started training as a warrior. Given the fact that he was dedicated to his training and also that he is portrayed as a high achiever, I assume that he was far more than competent on the battlefield. But Robert was also known as a fierce warrior (and someone who seemed to enjoy combat, unlike Rhaegar). In a one on one showdown Robert would probably have the upper hand. I've always taken it for granted that Rhaegar is dead, on the assumption that his either his friends or his foes would have made positive I.D. on his corpse.

28th March 2006, 09:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
TK-421 I Do Not Sow Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,752	Re: Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion Agree, Rheagar is dead. But it sort of poetic in a way that the beautiful man that he was, smart, well-read, good warrior, the envy of all women and girls (Cersei) in the kingdom and he gets himself killed by Robert whom Cersei later marries (and kills) and seems to become the exact opposite of what Rheagar represented. Now, there are certainly alot of theories about other Targaryens around: Jon, baby Aegon, Tyrion (not likely if you ask me) so there's bound to be one that pops up somewhere. My money is on Jon and the Darkstar. But, thanks for starting a discussion on the issue, eh.

29th March 2006, 12:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
MIDNIGHT enjoy the hour Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 113	Re: Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion I don't seriously believe Rhaegar is still alive.I am just terribly bored waiting for ADWD and would discuss any theory possible (even if it is haywire).I do believe however that just about anything is possible with Martin. Just how many of us can honestly say that we predicted anything that happened in AFFC (which yes I have read 3 times to be exact, and still can guarranty that I have missed many things). Oh so many of the discussions now are just a repeat of things that we already seem to know, such as Jons parentage, the hound alive etc. I am just so so so hoping for something new and earth shattering. ADWD seems so far away. Can't wait for the update next month on the home page.It is killing me.

29th March 2006, 01:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
JohnSnow JohnSnow Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 186	Re: Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion Rhaegar is still alive... in Jon Stark! just my three cents... sorry...okay stop looking at me that way... snow

29th March 2006, 03:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
the smiling weirwood Axes and Saws Prohibited Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,435	Re: Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion umm...TK, don't mean to be a spoilsport, but Darkstar is a Dayne and GRRM himself has confirmed that the Daynes are not related to the Targaryens at all.

29th March 2006, 10:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
MIDNIGHT enjoy the hour Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 113	Re: Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion I would love it if Darkstar was swapped baby Aegon,but isn't the Darkstar a bit old .Aegon would be just a year or so older that Jon.

30th March 2006, 02:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
Tyranus Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 72	Re: Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion I heard a crackpot theory somewhere (probably westeros) about the lead Monk on the island (I haven't read AFFC or the theory in a while so please excuse my explanation) being Rhaegar. There was quite a bit of support for it if I remember correctly. Hmmm, I need to find that thread.

30th March 2006, 05:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
MIDNIGHT enjoy the hour Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 113	Re: Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion Tyranus, it would be great if you could remember where you saw this theory.Most interesting!

31st March 2006, 09:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
the smiling weirwood Axes and Saws Prohibited Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,435	Re: Rhaegar?? For the sake of discussion OH! I have one! Maybe everyone is a Targaryen!!

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