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Stellar · 16th December 2007, 04:31 PM

OK Hi. I know I'm beating a dead horse, but I claim newbie immunity and am posting anyway 'cause this is the thread I joined the forum for (all 18 pages of it... man that was long)

ANYWAY! A few things

Jaqen H'Ghar: Is a faceless man, servant of the many-faced god of death (duh.) The only reason he would be in Oldtown is to assasinate someone. The only reason he's sitting around as Pate is because he's biding his time and gathering information to perform another flawless assassination.

I get the impression the Faceless Men are opportunist/perfectionist killers. They'll take as much time as they need, gather as much information as they need to eliminate their target at the most opportune moment, and get out alive. Stealing the key to the Citadel could be part of that. You'd have far more opportunities to kill someone if you could go wherever you liked, and far fewer if you were just a pig boy.

Faceless Men also have a definite target, with a name. So Jaqen isn't defending anyone against unnamed enemies. He's there to kill a single individual. My bet is Sam, but that's another thought for another day.

This is actually relevant to the dragon's three heads (surprise On Topic!). I don't think Arya is one of the three heads, because she's training as a novice of the Many-Faced God, a worshipper of the bringer of death.

R'hllor is the god of life, fire and shadow. The Unnamed Other is the god of death (and presumably ice, if you follow the dichotomy) So in the battle between Westeros and the Others, the lines could be drawn up like this:

World of Men (Westeros)=Life=Fire=Dany+Dragons with Fire=Life=R'hllor
World Beyond=Death=Ice=The Others with Death=Ice=The Unnamed Other

Arya is training as a novice of the Many Faced God of Death, and by extension, the Unnamed Other. That means that, unless she leaves the Faceless Men soon, she, at the very least, will not ride a dragon for the side that opposes the god she serves. If she doesn't leave the Faceless Men, she'll probably do nothing, or be sent to assassinate someone.

Of course, I could also be extrapolating too far. Or, you know, she'll leave the Faceless Men. In which case, I still doubt that she'd be timely enough to earn a place as a dragon rider.

On the other hand though, that does link back to a question asked earlier in the thread (by Aegon the Conqueror, I think?) about who would send Jaqen to Oldtown as an assassin: If the Faceless Men worship the Unnamed Other as part of the Many Faced God, then it is not unreasonable to assume they have some contact with the Evil Overlord who is directing the Others forces in service of death/ice/the Unnamed Other?/etc

OH! ALSO! Aegon is dead. The only reason we're being led to believe otherwise is because a bunch of fake Aegons are going to show up and try to convince Dany (and us) that they're the real deal, in order to get a dragon. And telling us that Aegon is dead would soundly kill the fun. My bet is the first imposter to show up and claim his 'inheritance' will be Aurane Waters. He looks a little like Rhaegar and has conveniently lived most of his life as the bastard son of a house sworn to Dragonstone. So he'll show up, claim he was taken to Dragonstone with Viserys, but hidden away with house Velaryon for safe keeping. And Dany will believe him, because everyone who could prove otherwise is dead, and because he brought her a fleet. And chaos will ensue.

Also, Jon being a head of the dragon will depend on in what order Dany tackles her enemies. I have total faith in R+L=J. But even so, if Dany chooses to conquer Westeros first, and asks Jon to help her, I think he'll turn her down. He chose his vows over the only family he's ever known, so why abandon them for family he never knew?

However if she chooses to take down the Others first, Jon could conceivably become a dragon rider in that battle, and then be bound by conflicting oaths once it comes time for Dany to take Westeros. Or by that stage, Westeros could be torn up that there's no feasible opposition left (Jaime kills Cersei, the Dornish hand over Myrcella, the riverlords, north and vale bend the knee, the Tyrells are the only ones who put up a fight for Tommen and Margaery, but one dragon is more than enough to quell them) in which case Jon will be dragon rider and warg and Man of the Knight's Watch all at once.

And that was a long post.

16th December 2007, 04:31 PM	#257 (permalink)
Stellar Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 12	Re: The Dragon Has Three Heads OK Hi. I know I'm beating a dead horse, but I claim newbie immunity and am posting anyway 'cause this is the thread I joined the forum for (all 18 pages of it... man that was long) ANYWAY! A few things Jaqen H'Ghar: Is a faceless man, servant of the many-faced god of death (duh.) The only reason he would be in Oldtown is to assasinate someone. The only reason he's sitting around as Pate is because he's biding his time and gathering information to perform another flawless assassination. I get the impression the Faceless Men are opportunist/perfectionist killers. They'll take as much time as they need, gather as much information as they need to eliminate their target at the most opportune moment, and get out alive. Stealing the key to the Citadel could be part of that. You'd have far more opportunities to kill someone if you could go wherever you liked, and far fewer if you were just a pig boy. Faceless Men also have a definite target, with a name. So Jaqen isn't defending anyone against unnamed enemies. He's there to kill a single individual. My bet is Sam, but that's another thought for another day. This is actually relevant to the dragon's three heads (surprise On Topic!). I don't think Arya is one of the three heads, because she's training as a novice of the Many-Faced God, a worshipper of the bringer of death. R'hllor is the god of life, fire and shadow. The Unnamed Other is the god of death (and presumably ice, if you follow the dichotomy) So in the battle between Westeros and the Others, the lines could be drawn up like this: World of Men (Westeros)=Life=Fire=Dany+Dragons with Fire=Life=R'hllor World Beyond=Death=Ice=The Others with Death=Ice=The Unnamed Other Arya is training as a novice of the Many Faced God of Death, and by extension, the Unnamed Other. That means that, unless she leaves the Faceless Men soon, she, at the very least, will not ride a dragon for the side that opposes the god she serves. If she doesn't leave the Faceless Men, she'll probably do nothing, or be sent to assassinate someone. Of course, I could also be extrapolating too far. Or, you know, she'll leave the Faceless Men. In which case, I still doubt that she'd be timely enough to earn a place as a dragon rider. On the other hand though, that does link back to a question asked earlier in the thread (by Aegon the Conqueror, I think?) about who would send Jaqen to Oldtown as an assassin: If the Faceless Men worship the Unnamed Other as part of the Many Faced God, then it is not unreasonable to assume they have some contact with the Evil Overlord who is directing the Others forces in service of death/ice/the Unnamed Other?/etc OH! ALSO! Aegon is dead. The only reason we're being led to believe otherwise is because a bunch of fake Aegons are going to show up and try to convince Dany (and us) that they're the real deal, in order to get a dragon. And telling us that Aegon is dead would soundly kill the fun. My bet is the first imposter to show up and claim his 'inheritance' will be Aurane Waters. He looks a little like Rhaegar and has conveniently lived most of his life as the bastard son of a house sworn to Dragonstone. So he'll show up, claim he was taken to Dragonstone with Viserys, but hidden away with house Velaryon for safe keeping. And Dany will believe him, because everyone who could prove otherwise is dead, and because he brought her a fleet. And chaos will ensue. Also, Jon being a head of the dragon will depend on in what order Dany tackles her enemies. I have total faith in R+L=J. But even so, if Dany chooses to conquer Westeros first, and asks Jon to help her, I think he'll turn her down. He chose his vows over the only family he's ever known, so why abandon them for family he never knew? However if she chooses to take down the Others first, Jon could conceivably become a dragon rider in that battle, and then be bound by conflicting oaths once it comes time for Dany to take Westeros. Or by that stage, Westeros could be torn up that there's no feasible opposition left (Jaime kills Cersei, the Dornish hand over Myrcella, the riverlords, north and vale bend the knee, the Tyrells are the only ones who put up a fight for Tommen and Margaery, but one dragon is more than enough to quell them) in which case Jon will be dragon rider and warg and Man of the Knight's Watch all at once. And that was a long post.